I just wrote the following comment on Facebook, in response to this key Romans 11 passage that a friend posted — and thought I’d share it here too.
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED????
Romans 11:20 Be not highminded, but fear: 21 for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
The Founder of “ONLY BELIEVE” — a type of OSAS predating Calvin
It’s amazing to me that Martin Luther’s ‘eureka moment’ was when he saw “the just shall live by faith” in Romans 1. He then built his whole theology on the idea of “only believe,” instead of reading further into Paul’s letter to see key verses in Romans 8 and this crystal clear, balancing passage, to let Paul interpret Paul, instead of making up his own gospel that his itching ears so strongly wanted to believe.
Then Luther didn’t like the book of JAMES at all, because James clearly says we must do something, not just believe. (And we’re not going to believe anyway if we’ve been willfully sinning when we see Jesus face to FACE). So Luther declared that the book of James shouldn’t even be scriptural, and JUDE, HEBREWS and REVELATION were subordinate books.
(“The just shall live by faith” is also in Hebrews 10:26-39, which shows what happens to those who willfully sin without repenting. So no wonder why Luther couldn’t fit his theory into Hebrews, one of the “subordinate books.”)
And it’s not because he didn’t read Paul’s entire books. He translated the entire Bible into German.
His bias must have blinded him, so like most modern teachers today, they somehow ignore the dozens of clear texts that completely refute the “once saved always saved” (OSAS) theory, or “only believe” and “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation.”
Luther said he’d give his Ph.D. cap to anyone who could justify Paul and James.
The truth is he couldn’t even justify Paul and Paul, because he ignored key texts like these.
Luther ended up being a mean person, who told Melanchthon: “sin boldly, because God doesn’t forgive a little sin.” And after he died he wanted to come back as a demon to torment the Catholic leaders (see link below).
That’s what crazy, unbiblical theology can do to a person’s life.
Now, the Lutherans still follow his teaching, often calling themselves “Lutherans” instead of “Christians.”
I was raised Lutheran. I’m glad I read the Bible on my own to see what it really said while in high school.
Lutheranism is one of the biggest deceptions, affecting MILLIONS of people!
From what I’ve seen it appears that Martin Luther is more responsible for once-saved-always-saved than John Calvin; though, Luther’s focus was more on “only believe” and infant baptism than Calvin’s TULIP.
For many Lutheran pastors today, infant baptism is all that’s needed — not even belief.
“There is therefore now *no condemnation* to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” – Romans 8:1 in a real Bible
“We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and HE WHO REMAINS IN LOVE remains IN GOD, and God remains in him. In this, love has been made perfect among us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, BECAUSE as he is, even so are we in this world.” – 1 John 4:16, 17
I talk about the Talmud a lot because this is the heart of what’s going on, the ‘leaven’ that Jesus warned us about, what the ‘Jews’ still follow today — who pull off the false flags, own TalmudVision (TV) and the establishment media, Wall Street, run education, push porn, LGBTQ and the destruction of America, while we destroy nations which neighbor Talmudic Israel, and who would stand up against their NWO. The Talmud is their source:
Transgress the tradition of the elders – The world “elders” literally means “old men.” Here it means the “ancients,” or their “ancestors.” The “tradition of the elders” meant something handed down from one to another by memory; some precept or custom not commanded in the written law, but which scribes and Pharisees held themselves bound to observe.
They supposed that when Moses was on Mount Sinai two sets of laws were delivered to him: one, they said, was recorded, and is that contained in the Old Testament; the other was handed down from father to son, and kept uncorrupted to their day. They believed that Moses, before he died, delivered this law to Joshua; he to the Judges; they to the prophets; so that it was kept pure until it was recorded in the Talmuds. In these books these pretended laws are now contained. They are exceedingly numerous and very trifling. They are, however, regarded by the Jews as more important than either Moses or the prophets.
“He’s talking about the Mishna, the oral traditions of the fathers, the Pharisees, passed down through the generations until … they were written in the two Talmuds.
If you think the Koran is bad, you should read the two Talmuds. Jesus was referring to the Mishnah, which was the precursor to the Talmud. In other words, the Pharisees were Talmudists. They believed that the writings of the Mishnah were superior to the writings of Moses in the law of God. They still believe that today in the modern state of Israel. …
Jesus addressed the Talmud and the Zionists when he addressed the Pharisees. They were the progenitors of the Zionists and the Talmudists of today.”
“All these prophecy zealots on television and radio, they all think it’s a wonderful thing that they’re talking about rebuilding the temple. ‘Preparing the way for Christ!’ That’s what they’re saying. The next one is to come, the Antichrist, a counterfeit christ in a counterfeit temple, in a counterfeit city and a counterfeit nation.
This is not preparing the way for the Messiah and Savior. This is preparing the way for the Antichrist who will deceive the world, and who Jesus said: if it were possible, will deceive the very elect. And I think the elect are already deceived by the mysteries of iniquity that we’ve already looked at. In their hearts, they’re already deceived…! And now they’re talking about the temple.”
“Mystery Babylon, is it Rome, or is it Jerusalem?”
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske
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“The Mystery Of Iniquity” – Message by Chuck Baldwin on Feb. 12, 2017
This message was preached by Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Sunday, February 12, 2017 during the service at Liberty Fellowship. To purchase a copy of this message or to support the fellowship please visit LibertyFellowshipMT.com
Sin causes instant spiritual BLINDNESS… Sadly, most Christians will make a deal with the Devil to gratify the desires of the flesh; truly believing that Father God will forgive them for their wanted/Planned sin after they’ve enjoyed it for a while….This is a PLAGUE in our modern churches…Sin-Repent. Sin-Repent. Sin-Repent….All PLANNED SIN (((INIQUITY))) NEEDS TO BE MOURNED OVER; REPENTED OF, AND DONE AWAY WITH FOREVER IN ORDER TO BE FORGIVEN!!! This is the Plague that causes Blindness in our churches today!
Pastors REFUSE TO (((WARN))) ANYONE OF THIS PLAGUE—ALL THE WHILE TEACHING A (((FALSE-GRACE))) MESSAGE THAT IS LEADING EVERYONE TO HELL in their congregations!!! (((THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS/MERCY/ OR GRACE FOR ACTIVE SIN)))!!!…
Let me put it this way: (IF) you accepted me into your home; gave me a place at your table, and I started ((knowingly)) doing the things you hate, in your house…..Then, feeling guilty and ashamed; I asked you for forgiveness and you forgave me, BUT…..I started doing it again, and again, and again…Wouldn’t you KICK ME OUT OF YOUR HOUSE UNTIL I HAD A TRACK-RECORD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS???
Father God will NOT EVER let anyone into Heaven with WANTED-SIN in their hearts….((THE TRUTH!))
I’ve heard it said from some that Christians are not supposed to suffer….??? Well…HONESTLY, (Being a “Christian”) (IS) the hardest occupation on this Earth! Why do I call it an “occupation”??? Ah, because it has NOW become the HARDEST WORK upon this Earth for anyone to accomplish!!!
Once you’ve accepted Christ; you have entered into an agreement, a covenant, with Him; that you are NOW ((NOT YOUR OWN))–BUT HIS! By this agreement, you are (((CALLED AND COMMANDED TO SUFFER))) for Christ’s sake. For the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake; also for the sake of The lost!
(IF) you are a TRUE Born Again Christian, you have now entered into (((A WAR)))… A war not only with Satan and all his demons, but with this World; the lusts, wants, and desires of it which include: Power, riches, glory, and fame.
Also, you have entered into the hardest part of the battlefield which is a CONSTANT battle with your Flesh, your heart, and your mind…..As NOW you are COMMANDED to surrender ALL and DENY YOURSELF; PICK UP THE OBJECT OF YOUR DEATH (((YOUR CROSS))) and FOLLOW WHERE CHRIST LEADS YOU IN TOTAL OBEDIENCE!:)
In order to receive Grace; we must DIE TO SIN!!! (((ALL PREMEDITATED SIN (INIQUITY) MUST DIE WITHIN US ALONG WITH OUR FLESHLY LUSTS, DESIRES, PRIDE, AND WANT OF THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER!)))…………..
This is HOW a Christians life is to be (IF) they will enter into Heaven! ……………..Acts 14:22
“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
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I do have some good news regarding this. Right now, with the churches being spiritually dead, it’s hard, but when the Holy Spirit responds after we become ‘ONE’ with each other in Christ “that the world will know” (John 17), the Holy Spirit will empower us together, and:
I POSTED this comment on Facebook a few days ago to concisely clarify what the Bible really says about women’s ministry in the church:
1 Timothy 2:12-14: “But I DON’T PERMIT a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness. For [because] ADAM WAS FORMED FIRST [given a specific personality to do his tasks. Eve was then designed by God to complement man with complementary (not the same) characteristics — proven now by science], then Eve. Adam WASN’T DECEIVED, but the WOMAN, BEING DECEIVED, has fallen into disobedience….”
A FRIEND RESPONDED by sending me an article by Jack Hayford, entitled “A Woman’s Place in Christ,” which I’ve decided to critique. I currently believe this doctrine is the third most important in keeping real Christianity and the great awakening revival from happening.
“God resists the proud, but [wants togive] grace to the humble.”
May we be ONE with each other in Christ “that the world will know” – Jesus’ prayer in John 17 — as we do it God’s way!
In”A Woman’s Place in Christ,” Jack starts out saying the Bible says men and women are the same in every way [emphasis mine throughout]:
The Bible says in Galatians 3:28 that because of what Christ has done, there are no longer any differences among us. “There is neither Jew nor Greek” (no ethnic or national difference), “neither slave nor free” (no economic difference), “neither male nor female” (no gender difference), “for [we] are all one in Christ Jesus.” This verse refers to the equality we have in God.
Here, Paul was actually talking about salvation, when the text is shown in context, that abiding-in-Christ men and women are both children of God, “heirs” according to the promise. Paul did not say women and men no longer have God given personality differences (different and complementary strengths and weaknesses), and therefore no difference in roles. Galatians is about salvation. There “neither male nor female” regarding salvation.
26 For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to promise.
Jack quotes 1 Timothy 2:8-15. The second paragraph is the clearest text on this subject, because Paul gives two reasons why:
I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
Jack then says:
First, let’s see what the different verses in this passage do not mean.
That the women adorn themselves in modest apparel (v. 9).“All women should dress as crummy as possible to verify their holiness.”
Why does Jack choose the word “crummy?” Modest apparel is the opposite of “hot” and “sexy,” but should not be “crummy.” Who would interpret Paul’s statement this way?
Jack also says this passage does not mean:
Adam was formed first, then Eve (v. 13).“God likes men more than He does women.”
He’s absolutely correct here. God doesn’t like one sex more than the other because they’re gifted differently.
Jack then completely ignores what this important text really does mean.
“Adam was formed first” means: man was designed with unique giftings to be able to perform specific tasks well. God then made women with giftings that complement man’s giftings. Men and women’s personalities are complementary, not the same, contrary to what society is continually telling us.
Jack also doesn’t mention what Paul’s reason #2 does mean. He only says that Paul does not mean that “men are smarter than women,” which is of course not true. The issue is deception, not IQ.
Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression (v. 14). “Men are smarter than women.”
Eve was deceived by the Devil to the point of sinning, not because she was less intelligent, but because of a strength in her personality that is particularly beneficial in child bearing: empathy. Women are capable of having lots of empathy, and are often more interested in relationships than with facts, compared to men as a whole. But this can be a weakness in ways too, especially in determining Bible doctrine, which requires objectivity. [And please keep in mind that God only calls some men to be overseers (5-fold leaders – Eph. 4:11-16 – & elders). Many men who are leaders today were not even called by God to be leaders.]
Then Jack says:
We can’t analyze every verse, but we will look at a few of the most important ones.
But Jack, there only are four verses to analyze. What kind of an excuse…? The preceding, modest apparel paragraph isn’t directly related. According to Jack, the verses that say why women should not teach or have authority over men in the church (13 & 14) are not important enough to consider. This is a common way that teachers deceive the people — through omission. I see it often, and I hope it’s not on purpose. The establishment media regularly does the same.Jack only mentions what verses 13 and 14 do not say; though, these are the crucial verses to understand this text.
He does address verse 12:
“Let a woman be silent…”
The first thing we have to understand is that, in this passage, Paul is writing to Timothy to instruct him on how to lead a church. He is giving him counsel on how to deal with relationships within the body.
This is absolutely true, and is an important point. Paul is not talking about discussions outside of the assembly, socially.
Then Jack says Paul can’t possibly be saying what he actually said because Priscilla and Phoebe were recognized teachers; though, the Bible does not say they were “teachers,” “overseers” or elders.”
But we cannot divorce the counsel given here from what we find in other parts of Scripture. Elsewhere Paul mentions women who labored with him in the gospel (Philippians 4:3) and others, such as Priscilla and Phoebe, whom Paul recognizes as teachers and deaconesses (see Acts 18:26; Romans 16:1, 3 and 12). Therefore, he can’t be saying that women are to have no input regarding spiritual matters in the church.
Women can be deacons, because it’s not a spiritual-authority-over-a-man role. And in the next chapter in Timothy, Paul clearly states an overseer or elder must be the “husband of one wife” — a man. If women can be overseers according to God’s plan, then Paul simply would have said “married” instead.
Jack’s reasoning here also falls apart:
..let me begin by addressing verses 11-12: “Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” These verses are commonly interpreted to mean that a woman is permitted to teach only other women. In particular, older women may teach younger ones, as Titus 2:4-5 suggests.
…the older women, likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slandering, not given to much wine, teachers of good things-that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, home makers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
But if this is true, it is true only in the United States. When a woman goes abroad as a missionary, she is both allowed and expected to teach, and not just to teach other women.
Because we have an unbiblical double standard doesn’t negate what Paul said. Witnessing to men here or anywhere is fine, but being an overseer, teaching in the assembly isn’t biblically allowed in the U.S. or outside of the U.S.. We don’t interpret what Paul said based upon our cultural practice.
Jack also says the misunderstanding is “mainly because the word “silence” is mistranslated in verses 11-12;” though, what Paul means is clear, because he says: “I don’t permit a woman to teach….”
As a longtime charismatic, Jack should know that his reasoning is incorrect here, stating:
If you look at 1 Timothy 2:12 in the context of the whole Bible, you will see that Paul couldn’t be prohibiting women from teaching, or even from teaching men. If he were, why would he, in another epistle, give rules for women to follow when they are prophesying? In 1 Corinthians 11:5, he is referring to prophetic utterances given in the midst of an entire congregation, one that includes men. We know prophecy can come by itself, or it can accompany either preaching or teaching.
Prophesying isn’t teaching. It’s a gift of the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:10) in which the person only says what God says through them. If the person prophesying is adding their own thoughts they’re not prophesying; though, this often passes for prophesy (in the few churches which still allow prophesy).
Jack started this article out saying there is no difference at all between women and men. Now he acknowledges:
God did give husbands authority over their wives. … The redemptive process requires that the husband take leadership, and the wife submit (see Ephesians 5:22-24).
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I must say that I’m really disappointed in the way Jack handled this important, 1 Timothy 2 passage that I’ve always viewed as definitive regarding women’s ministry — because Paul gave the two reasons why, which Jack didn’t address.
I’ve always appreciated Jack standing up for the spiritual gifts on Television. His worship song “Majesty” is extraordinary, and he’s always come across as a kind man. But this teaching is dangerously misleading. It seems that people so greatly want to hear what they want to hear that they accept what pastors and the world is telling them without checking the word of God to make sure what they’re being taught is true — which the Bible prophesied:
“For The TIME WILL COME when THEY WILL NOT LISTEN to the sound doctrine, but, having itching ears, will heap up for themselves TEACHERS AFTER THEIR OWN LUSTS; and will TURN AWAY THEIR EARS FROM THE TRUTH, and turn aside to FABLES” (2 Tim. 4:3-4)
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SAFEGUARD Suggestion to Minimize False Teaching — Allow Comments
One of the first things I did upon reading Jack’s article was to scroll down and see if there were comments. As usual, there are none. Some ministers do allow comments, but then erase those they disagree with. The establishment media doesn’t like comments too.
I always allow comments, whether they disagree or not, unless there is profanity or serious ill will — or if they are off topic.
We should not be afraid of the truth which will set us free from demonic bondage. The demons will run amuck if we buck God’s order in how he designed men and women. “Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.”
Submitting to God’s ways is for our own good — so we can be ONE with each other in Him “that the world will know!” God’s glory will be that great when ONE happens — Jesus’ prayer for us in John 17!
God’s guardrails are for our own good — that we might have LIFE!
Quotes by Chuck Baldwin, transcribed by Jeff Fenske:
39:45 “These preachers and these politicians who are influenced by these preachers are associating Israel ‘after the flesh’ with the Israel ‘of God.’ And that is a major, major doctrinal error.”
46:30 “God destroyed the old earthly city of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.. That old, fleshly, earthly Jerusalem has absolutely no significance spiritually to the believer today.”
“The temple was destroyed, and thus temple worship was destroyed.” “Since Jesus sacrificed Himself there is no reason, there is no merit, there is no use for animal sacrifices. In fact, to try and sacrifice an animal today would be a blasphemous attack against the blood Jesus shed on Calvary for our sins.” “To try and implement any form of temple worship is to try and negate the work of Jesus on the cross.”
“I’m concerned in my soul as I see the reintroduction of Judaizing believers [whom Paul warned about in Galatians — Chuck mentions – ed.] into the modern church today. They’re trying to put us back under the law.”
55:00 “The current city of Jerusalem in the state of Israel is not the new Jerusalem. … The old Jerusalem is not the new Jerusalem.”
55:50 “Any temple built in the modern, earthly city of Jerusalem would by necessity be a counterfeit temple…, because we are the temple of God.” “Who is the author of all of this counterfeit doctrine? Satan. … This is Christianity 101 to anybody born before May 14, 1948.”
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A Counterfeit Temple; A Counterfeit Israel – Bible Study by Chuck Baldwin on Feb. 1, 2017
This Bible study was given by Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at Liberty Fellowship. To purchase a copy of this message or to support the fellowship please visit LibertyFellowshipMT.com
This is apparently from the Mormon movie: The Life of Jesus Christ, but it’s exactly what Jesus said in Matthew 19:
16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” 17He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder.’ ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ ‘You shall not steal.’ ‘You shall not offer false testimony.’ 19 ‘Honor your father and mother.’ And, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'” 20 The young man said to him, “All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sad, for he was one who had great possessions.