Ron Wyatt’s Last Interview – June 1999
In June of 1999, the late Bill Fry, former president of Anchorstone International interviewed Ron Wyatt by phone concerning his experiences in the Ark of the Covenant chamber. At the time, Ron was just weeks away from his death in August of 1999. For a Christian staring death in the face, that was not a time for lying about sacred things, and would have been the perfect opportunity for Ron Wyatt to publicly confess to any untruths he might have told during his life. But as you can read below he did not, and in fact reiterated and backed up everything he had said during his life regarding his discovery of the ark of the covenant. …
Audio Recording of Ron Wyatt’s Last Interview
Transcript of the Interview
Bill Fry: Okay, the recorder’s on right now, so you can go ahead and just, just basically tell me what happened.
Ron Wyatt: Oh, Okay. Well, on the excavation there, that, you know, for the Ark of the Covenant, primarily I was interested in just the Ark of the Covenant. However, when I did the excavation down the cliff face, I ran into cut-outs and we ran into crossholes, and the bottom of this ancient quarry that showed that this was a crucifixion and execution spot. The Romans crucified people there, of course. The Jews, because of some of their special arrangements with the Romans, they basically stoned people there and beat them as examples, that’s what took place there. Anyway, once we found that place, I knew that, well basically, that I needed to get inside that escarpment, because there were several indications that it was just a system of tunnels and chambers, and that I needed to, basically, just go chamber by chamber, tunnel by tunnel, and whatever, systematically go through there, until I found the Ark of the Covenant, or until I didn’t find it. And so, anyway, we found it on January 6th, 1982 at approximately 2 o’clock in the afternoon. And so, when I found it, it was in a situation that I had not anticipated or expected, that was that it was in a chamber that was totally filled with what appeared to be debris. And what turned out to be a bunch of materials of furnishings of the first temple, covered first by animal skins, then that covered by boards, and then these covered by stone, just whatever they could get their hands on, looked like. It looked like it had been done in a hurry, looked like they just grabbed everything, whatever they could get to fill the place, and I was still a little fuzzy on why that would be done, but I don’t see that I need to know everything. When God does something I just know it’s done perfectly, so. On the occasion of my fourth visit into the area, I was gonna make another attempt at getting some video footage.
Bill Fry: Get some what?
Ron Wyatt: I was going to make an attempt to get some video footage.
Ron Wyatt: Up to that time I had not had any success with any kind of reproduction attempt that I made that included Polaroid cameras, 35 mm cameras, a VHS camera, video system. So anyway, I went into the chamber and lowered myself in there, and of course, there, the thing that became apparent immediately was that the place was totally cleaned. Somebody had done what I had decided that I was going to have to do, and that was to clean every, haul the debris and everything out. And I guess I should say a couple of words here, that the Ark of the Covenant was not covered in all this debris like everything else. It was in a separate container, within walls, a stone box. And this extended from the floor, which I didn’t know at the time, the dimensions or whatever, but anyway the box extended up to within approximately three inches of the ceiling.
Bill Fry: Was it sitting on top of something else?
Ron Wyatt: Well, the fact of the matter was, Bill, that I never did get in there and measure everything, and so I really don’t know.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: Looking back on that, I would have had to have been there when the cleanup took place in order to know all of that, and I simply was not there. But anyway, the Ark of the Covenant, the mercy seat, was set in a manner under the crack that came down, that extended down from the crucifixion site above, so that the blood went on the top of the mercy seat, and then, anyway when it was all cleaned up and situated, positioned, it still appeared to be in that same position even though it was no longer in the box. And there are several things that are rather remarkable about what had happened there: the place was cleaned up, and the Ark of the Covenant was sitting against the wall at the east end of the cave, and the cave is not perfectly oriented east, west, north, or south, it’s just on the eastern end, basically, of that. Behind this is this crystalline wall that emits the colors of the rainbow.
Bill Fry: This is the wall behind the ark?
Ron Wyatt: That’s correct. It’s a vertical, vertical wall.
Bill Fry: Now the ark was facing you if you were standing looking at it, is that correct?
Ron Wyatt: Yes, that is correct, at that point in time. And I got a phone call on this that I’ll share which was kind of unusual, it’s one of those things that made me decide to talk about it, to say something about it. And that is, that I got a phone call from this fellow, and he says, “Ron,” he says, “would you describe what the Ark of the Covenant, what it looked like, to me? And I said, “Well, I don’t do that.” And I have a … you know, I just haven’t done that. And so, anyway, I said, “Why do you ask?” and he seemed a little distressed with the whole thing, you know, and he said, “Well, I had a dream.” And I don’t remember if it was the night before I was talking to him, or that day, or anyway, it hadn’t been too long since he had this dream, and he said, “I’ve been praying since I heard about the Ark of the Covenant, that the Lord would let me see what it looked like, I just felt a real burden to see what it looked like,” and he said, “I had this dream, and I was in this chamber in this dream,” and he said, “The Ark of the Covenant was right there in front of me.” Basically, and he said, “However, the wall behind the Ark of the Covenant,” and he described it perfectly, you know.
Bill Fry: Like what you’d seen.
Ron Wyatt: Right. And he said, “I got so distracted by the colors and all the rest of this rainbow, that I did not look and zero in on the Ark of the Covenant.” And he said, “The dream went away without my having a good look at the Ark of the Covenant.” So that was a bit of a surprise, and an (observant?) one, I might add, that indicates that God, you know, wanted people to, didn’t mind people having a description of it, at least, and at least this one fellow. He didn’t seem any more unusual or different than anyone else, and there were several other people that have asked. And he seemed to be an honest guy and all of that, and I don’t think he could have made that description without having seen it, there’s no way it could have happened. So, anyway, I at this point said, “Well, just be grateful that you got to see inside the chamber, because I’ll verify that’s what it looks like.” But then I said, “I guess that I probably ought to do something to give a general idea of what the Ark of the Covenant looked like. So at the time I decided to get Jim Pinkoski to work me up some (drawings), you know? And so, anyway, back to the experiences, when I got in there, the light, the room has its own light, and I made that inference that it didn’t happen until I had gotten inside the chamber and was just standing on the floor of the chamber. I did all my getting in the dark, so when the thing’s kind of lighted up, I was really shocked by what I saw, that is the place had been cleaned out, and that there were four people in there. And so basically, I was going to ask, “What are you doing here?” because I’m the only one I knew of that had permission or the right to be in there, and at that point, I became aware that my physical condition was altered so that I knew I was in the presence of angels, you know, that these were not just people, because I couldn’t breathe, I couldn’t move, I couldn’t talk, couldn’t do anything. And so, anyway, at that point, just basically kept in mind that I was very, very… scorned? By the whole thing. So the one angel talked to me and briefly said that they been watching over the Ark of the Covenant since Moses had put the tables of stone in there, and that God wanted everyone to see this at a particular time. And so, anyway, he told me to set up my, um
Bill Fry: Your video camera?
Ron Wyatt: yeah, to set that up on a tripod, and which I set up primarily because it had been kind of drummed into my head that “you would’ve got a better picture if you used a tripod.” So anyway, I set this all up and aimed at the Ark of the Covenant. At that point, I turned it on and went on to the angels went and took the corners of each of the ark, of the mercy seat, and lifted it, and the one angel that talked with me said, “Get the tables of stone out of the Ark of the Covenant.” So I went over and leaned down, and took them out.
Bill Fry: Ron, could you speak up? I’m having just a little bit of trouble hearing you.
Ron Wyatt: I’m sorry. Yeah, I leaned in and picked the tables of stone and backed away, and they lowered the mercy seat back into position. And then I just stood there with the tables of stone, and the angel came and got them, and took them from my hands, and put them on a stone shelf, or ledge, whatever.
Bill Fry: Right there next to the wall?
Ron Wyatt: Right, you know its part of the wall right near the exit.
Bill Fry: The original exit?
Ron Wyatt: Yeah.
Bill Fry: So that would be, I guess, on the south side.
Ron Wyatt: Uh huh.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: The south side. And so, anyway, the…
Bill Fry: Now let me ask you a question here.
Ron Wyatt: Okay.
Bill Fry: Cause when you told me this before, you know, you told me you took the tables of stone out, and then the angel told you something about the tables of stone?
Ron Wyatt: Yeah, he told me that it had to do with when these were to be shown to the world.
Bill Fry: Right.
Ron Wyatt: Two things were stated; one that if I was faithful I would have the privilege of sharing this, and the second was that when the mark of the beast law was in force, that shortly after that, was when this would take place.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: And there is a little bit of conundrum: it wasn’t stated as the mark of the beast law, it was stated, “when the Sunday law,” but I tell people, and I think it’s wiser to tell people that, since it’s not lying or deceiving, is that when the mark of the beast law is in force. [National Sunday Law – ed.]