“Jeff, would I be correct in surmising that you subscribe to Oneness Pentecostalism?” My answer …

Carl, a reader asked:

Jeff, would I be correct in surmising that you subscribe to Oneness Pentecostalism (Apostolic Pentecostalism)?

I thought I’d share this with everyone in a post.

It’s now easy for me to say where I am politically, because of this one man, Ron Paul. I’m close to being a pure libertarian. I pretty much believe what Ron Paul teaches and practices, including how we should treat other nations regarding war. Who would Jesus bomb? “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” Where does this leave the mostly warmongering, Republican ‘church?’ Children of God if they’re not peacemakers?

My other freedom site, ToBeFree.wordpress.com, demonstrates this.

But regarding a denomination designation, I’m not as easily defined. If we had a right-on-in-doctrine denomination we would have had revival and real Christianity a long time ago, I believe.

I had to look up oneness pentecostalism in Wikipedia  to refresh my memory as to some of their finer points.

I’m definitely not Jesus-only. I believe in one God in three persons. I’m not sure where the Holy Spirit fits in though (I’m not sure anyone does). Jesus and the Father are certainly separate-yet-one. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is a separate person too? I sometimes refer to th Holy Spirit by name.

I don’t believe that Jesus-name baptism is biblical, either; though, the church I attended for years (and likely will again) at least used to teach that. I believe it’s false doctrine.

And I do believe that Jesus has a dress code, but it’s simply this: Jesus’ Dress Code. In this, Jesus says: “Give people space, as long as it’s holy.” I also wrote: The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy. This is serious. Lust is clearly a salvation issue. God’s standard hasn’t changed along with society.

And since I just linked to part of my Let Us Be ONE prophecy, I definitely believe that every Christian can and should hear God’s voice, but most ‘Christians’ have so many demons in them that they can’t tell which voice is God’s: There Should Only Be One Voice.

And some people really are prophets (Eph. 4:11), but today’s Christianity largely shuns, even prays against (James-3 curses) the real ones. Yesterday’s men don’t want to be bothered by tomorrow’s men. “Many don’t even know they are yesterday’s men,” R. T. Kendall. Most pastors are yesterday’s men, way out of touch with God’s will because they think they can function properly without prophetic people’s balancing effect. I’ve led a very lonely life. It’s so frustrating to have the answers and not only get dissed, but James-3 cursed every single day, many times.

I don’t know of even one church that understands the current James-3-cursing epidemic! Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within and A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls).

How’s this one: “Blessed Subtractions” = Pastors ‘Praying’ People Out of Their Churches

The only book that I’m aware of written on the subject is written by: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”.

It’s like friendly fire in the military. But in the church, those who have the information vital for moving the army forward to win the battle get shot at from within the ‘church.’ So forward progress has been almost impossible, especially when it comes to reforming the doctrines of demons, which I think are really exactly that.

And many ‘Christians’ (especially the leaders) have so many demons in them that they don’t even know they’re demon driven. And many churches don’t believe a demon can even be in them.

I do believe very strongly that Jesus wants us all to be ONE with each other in Him, according to John 17. But this is far different than where most Pentecostal churches are today. Most pentecostals probably hardly ever speak in tongues too.

I believe that all Christians can and should speak in tongues. This is the number one way to deal with demons, to build up our faith. And we can pray for others in tongues too. But hardly anyone teaches this; though, I think it’s easily clinically and scientifically verifiable/provable.

I definitely do *NOT* believe a person needs to speak in tongues to be a Christian (contrary to what some pentecostals believe). But I think it would be really hard to be holy without speaking in tongues, though, at least in this severely backslidden church period. Once revival happens, tongues won’t be as crucial as they are now. There will be a lot of real worship, real holiness, and we’ll be one.

Tongues, to me, are Christianity 101. When I became a Christian, I knew somehow that the road would not be easy and that I needed everything I could to make it. So I pursued this gift; though, I ended up needing help in Anchorage to get over the fear of saying something that wasn’t of God. I would have been dead long ago without having AND USING this gift.

From my experience, this is our personal prayer language primarily given to us so we can deal with the demonic without having to know the yukky actualities of what we’re dealing with. I wrote a long comment on this: I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues. A reader thankfully put me over the edge : )

But I get along with those who choose not to do this too. But usually, it’s so obvious they could do so much better if they used the gift God is so eager to give them — if we’d only be like little children. I’ve learned not to push, to give people space. I’m learning to be a libertarian spiritually, as well as politically.

I would agree with the oneness pentecostals that holiness follows salvation, rather than causes it. But most pentecostals are mostly into the “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation” brand of OSAS. Most pentecostals really aren’t into real holiness. I believe we must be right with God and people enough (according to what the Bible says: Who-Goes-To-Heaven…/Who are the children of God), so that we have a clear conscience so we will have faith to enter heaven when we meet the Holy Judge face to face (1 John).

Most pentecostal churches are currently spiritually dead; though, maybe they once had a reputation for being alive. And often, even then they were really still in trouble (Rev. 3:1-6).

I only know of one church leader who teaches somewhat closely to what I do regarding salvation, but he’s no longer leading a specific church: Daniel Rodes [the site is buggy though, I just discovered]. And we developed our doctrines independently. He’s amazing! I know him and his wife very well from our visits. We definitely don’t agree on everything, but that doesn’t affect our friendship adversely. Which brings up this doctrine that is so popular in pentecostal churches, as they keep the law in the new covenant church.

I am totally against the old covenant doctrine of tithing. Tithing is reverse-Holy-Spirit-led, and this is part of what kills the revivals. I wrote this: The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit. And if anyone is still skeptical, this should put this forever bury this false doctrine: Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine.

I suppose I’m somewhat into restorationism — that the early church (before ~100 A.D.) had the real thing happening, and we need to get that back. Although, it’s clear in Rev. 2 and 3 that most of the churches at that point had serious problems.

I consider this time to be a fabulous time to do research to discover what is true doctrinally and experientially. We have so much church history and tools available that we have no excuse. And now we have the end of America to help speed up the process.

I firmly believe that false doctrine is the number one problem in the church, and contrary to popular belief, we need true doctrine will get us back on our feet, jumping for joy!!!

I also LOVE worship with instruments too, including electric guitar, keyboards, drums, etc.. Some pentecostals shun modern instruments as if they’re demonic in themselves. I think the key is that the musicians must be holy to be able to worship in Spirit and in truth. It’s not about us. It’s about Him. Most worship leaders, today, don’t really worship, themselves, while they’re supposedly leading others. And the pastors accept this dead, non-worship because in their sin, many are actually uncomfortable in the presence of God. If God would show up in glory like He did in Acts, I think many pastors would be struck dead. Which is probably the main reason God doesn’t show up in His manifest presence. We must be holy first. Mike Bickle: Making a Purity Covenant so the HOLY Spirit can come and we won’t get zapped … to bless His heart — that we may be ONE!

There will be a day when we’re all holy. I just hope it happens before we totally lose our country. It should have happened many years ago. Then Christians would have voted for Ron Paul and our country would be in good shape.

I believe it’s too late for that now: ‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”

Having said all that, if someone asks me to categorize myself, I usually just say I’m a non-denominational charismatic; though, that doesn’t really say who I am.

And Calvinists call me Arminian, as far as my belief that God sovereignly has decided to give us all free will. And it doesn’t give Him glory to say that He is sovereign dictator of everything. This would make Him an ogre. God wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus died for everyone, but it’s up to us as the Holy Spirit enables us, gives us grace to overcome.

And then, being born-again is just the start of our adventure in God — within His parameters — He who loves us so much!

Jeff Fenske

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Related:

Chip Brogden: What is Spiritual Unity?

A Prayer Sung at IHOP (wonderful, yet partly problematic. “There’s too much telling God what to do”): “Turn my eyes from worthless things, even the permissible that’s not beneficial. Fill me with life.”

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from a prayer sung during worship/intercession with Matt Gilman (who is on fire right now, having been touched big-time regarding his prophetic anointing on Saturday night at the IHOPU Awakening) at the IHOP Prayer Room, 2/23/10.
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Turn my eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.

Fill me with life.
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This concept is wonderful, spending our time only on what’s beneficial, which is why I posted this. But I have this reservation, which I think is significant.

In my opinion, there is too much asking (even telling) God to do things for us that He has already empowered us to do.

I know I’m being picky here, but it’s been something that has concerned me for many years. Why are we putting the this on God? Why are we asking Him to do something He’s already promised He would help us do?

Whose responsibility is it to turn our eyes? Ours or God’s?

God gives us the grace (those of us who are born-again), He will always give us the power of the Holy Spirit so we will be able to turn our own eyes.

He won’t do it for us, but He’ll help us and empower us to do it, by His grace.

And regarding asking/telling God: “Fill me with life.”

He already promised He would respond in this way:

“Draw near to God and He’ll draw near to you.” (James 4)

He will. We don’t have to ask Him to, tell Him to, beg Him to. He will when we draw near to Him in holiness, right with each other — worshiping Him in Spirit and in truth.

It’s automatic. “We don’t have to work it up.” We need to prepare a place for Him.

He will draw near to us when we truly will draw near to Him — worshiping Him in Spirit and in truth

We’re living in the new covenant now. The Holy Spirit is in us 24/7, ready to go.

I would prefer these versions:

Let’s turn our eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.

Thank you for filling us with life.

Or

We turn our eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.

We look to You as the source of life.
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How did they do it at the Asbury Revival when God showed up BIG-TIME?

Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”

Let’s get right with each other and then we can worship!!!

Mt. 5:

23 “If therefore you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Wes Hall: Many ministers weren’t even called into the ministry. “The reason you’ve gone to seminary is to prove to God…how dedicated you are.” • “Some of you should have been in ministry, and you went into business; and you tried to become the best you could to earn your father’s approval in the natural.”

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOPU Student Awakening, 2/19/10

“I felt like there are some watching on the webcast. There are some watching right now in seminaries. And the reason you’ve gone to seminary is to prove to God how diligent you are, how dedicated you are.

Some of you went into ministry because your heart was not settled in God’s love. And you said, ‘if I go to seminary, if I get trained for ministry, if I prove to God through serving Him and serving His people how dedicated I am, I will receive His love.

Some of you weren’t even called into the ministry. You were called into the marketplace. You were called into government. You were called into business. You were called into education and science. But you think: ‘if I go into ministry, somehow I’ll earn God’s approval and I’ll be able to encounter His love.’

Lord, I ask that You would set them free, God. Set them free from that spirit of performance that tries to enslave them.

For some of you, it’s because you’ve had fathers who tried to put expectations on you, and you’ve been serving those expectations all your life.

Some of you should have been in ministry and you went into business, and you tried to become the best you could to earn your father’s approval in the natural…”

– Wes Hall, IHOPU provost

The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think? — ‘Grace’ is God giving us the Holy Spirit Who gives us the POWER TO OVERCOME SIN!

Many teach that grace is simply God’s unmerited favor. They say: “salvation = grace  + nothing.” But, according to Paul “the grace teacher,” grace has a much fuller meaning.

Grace isn’t just what Jesus did for us on the cross. Grace is God giving us the Holy Spirit, Who enables us and gives us the POWER TO OVERCOME sin. And overcome, we must (Rev. 21:7-8 & many other scriptures).

Steve Hill says: Jesus didn’t set us free to sin; He set us free from sin.”

Paul teaches in Titus 2:

11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we would live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world; 13 looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ; 14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify for himself a people for his own possession, zealous for good works.

From: http://www.bible-researcher.com/grace.html

The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible

“Against a still common view it must be stated that in Paul χαρις [the Greek word for grace – ed.] does not mean primarily a divine attribute (Wobbe, Charis-Gedanke, 32). It does not mean, in good Greek fashion, God’s graciousness, nor concetely his free love (Taylor). It almost always means the power of salvation which finds expression in specific gifts, acts, and spheres and which is even individualized in the charismata.” —Ernst Käsemann, Commentary on Romans, trans. G. Bromiley (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1980), p. 14.

In Paul … χαρις is never merely an attitude or disposition of God (God’s character as gracious); consistently it denotes something much more dynamic—the wholly generous act of God. Like ‘Spirit,’ with which it overlaps in meaning (cf., e.g., [Rom] 6:14 and Gal 5:18), it denotes effective divine power in the experience of men.” —James D.G. Dunn, Romans 1-8 (Dallas: Word Books, 1988), p. 17.

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Naturally, the various meanings of the word were simply taken over from ordinary language by the New Testament writers. And so it is quite illegitimate to try to construct on the basis of all the occurrences of the word a single doctrine that will account for all the various usages. That one word could express both “charm of speech” and “thankfulness for blessings” was doubtless felt to be a mere accident, if it was thought of at all. But none the less, the very elasticity of the word enabled it to receive still another—new and technically Christian—meaning. This seems to have originated in part by fusing together two of the ordinary significances.

In the first place, as in (e) above, charis may mean “a gift.” In 1 Corinthians 16:3; 2 Corinthians 8:19 it is the money given by the Corinthians to the Jerusalemites. In 2 Corinthians 9:8 it is the increase of worldly goods that God grants for charitable purposes. In 2 Corinthians 1:15 it is the benefit received by the Corinthians from a visit by Paul. In a more spiritual sense charis is the endowment for an office in the church (Ephesians 4:7), more particularly for the apostolate (Romans 1:5; 12:3; 15:15; 1 Corinthians 3:10; Ephesians 3:2,7). So in 1 Corinthians 1:4-7 charis is expanded into “word and all knowledge,” endowments with which the Corinthians were especially favored. In 1 Peter 1:13 charis is the future heavenly blessedness that Christians are to receive; in 3:7 it is the present gift of “life.”

In the second place, charis is the word for God’s favor, a sense of the term that is especially refined by St. Paul (see below). But God’s favor differs from man’s in that it cannot be conceived of as inactive. A favorable “thought” of God’s about a man involves of necessity the reception of some blessing by that man, and “to look with favor” is one of the commonest Biblical paraphrases for “bestow a blessing.” Between “God’s favor” and “God’s favors” there exists a relation of active power, and as charis denoted both the favor and the favors, it was the natural word for the power that connected them. This use is very clear in 1 Corinthians 15:10, where Paul says, “not I, but the grace of God which was with me” labored more abundantly than they all: grace is something that labors. So in 2 Corinthians 12:9, “My grace is sufficient for thee: for my power is made perfect in weakness”; compare 2 Timothy 2:1, “strengthened in the grace,” and 1 Peter 4:10, “stewards of the manifold grace.” Evidently in this sense “grace” is almost a synonym for the Spirit, and there is little real difference between “full of the Holy Spirit” and “full of grace and power in Acts 6:5,8, while there is a very striking parallel between Ephesians 4:7-13 and 1 Corinthians 12:4-11, with “gifts of grace” in the one passage, and “gifts of the Spirit” in the other. And this connection between grace and the Spirit is found definitely in the formula “Spirit of grace” in Hebrews 10:29 (compare Zechariah 12:10).

Related:

David Wilkerson: True Grace — “According to Paul, we are not walking in grace until we have broken from worldly corruptions. Unless we are endeavoring through the power of the Holy Spirit to lead godly and righteous lives, looking for the Lord’s coming in our every waking moment, we do not know God’s grace.”

Britt Williams: Biblical Grace, What Is It?

(video) Dan Corner: True Grace Vs False Grace — Charles Stanley’s security in sin: “You cannot out-sin the grace of God” Vs Jesus: “He who endures to the end will be saved”

“Grace”: To Give You Life to Overcome—Not a License to Sin

(video) Dan Corner: True Grace Vs False Grace — Charles Stanley’s security in sin: “You cannot out-sin the grace of God” Vs Jesus: “He who endures to the end will be saved”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!

What is liberal Christian theology? — “Love” of our fellow man becomes the defining issue. The Greatest Commandment, ‘Life in the Son’ is ignored — where our yoke is easy and our burden is light, and we’ll find rest for our souls

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

The CHIEF PILLAR of Eternal Security (OSAS) Toppled – John 10:27-29! — “Only those who are hearing and following Christ right now are his sheep”

Leonard Ravenhill: Romans 7 vs 8 — Life before the Son vs Life in the Son — “Romans 7 is a funeral march, Romans 8 is a wedding march … it’s a Spirit dominated life in chapter 8.”

[WordPOWER!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)

D. A. Carson: The Problem of the Canon Within the Canon — A subset of scriptures taught in exclusion of those that would result in true doctrine. “We badly need to listen to one another, especially when we least like what we hear.”

Dan Corner: “If you’re lusting in your heart, you are an adulterer, and you won’t inherit the kingdom.”

[Lust “the poison that kills the soul” FREEDOM] My experience: How DEMONS DRIVE heterosexual and homosexual lust in ‘Christians’ — The bad news is that demons drive lust. The good news is that demons drive lust, because…

Gandhi: Widespread Belief Doesn’t Make an Error True

HeartQuotes: Truth — “A thing does not therefore cease to be true because it is not accepted by many” – Spinoza

WordPower: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it WAS PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’” Many need to get right with people they’ve hurt to be free! Then God can move!

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”

[ video – The MOST BEAUTIFUL SONG! ] Benny Hester: “When God Ran”

Wes Hall: “God can deliver us from everything except an unrepentant heart.” Let’s forgive and be free!

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOPU Student Awakening, 2/17/10

“God can deliver us from everything except an unrepentant heart.

I felt like there’s some in this room tonight,
you need to repent of bitterness.

You’ve allowed a root of bitterness to grow up in you….

Beloved, that bitterness not only defiles your own spirit,
but it defiles many.

The Bible says, the book of Hebrews said:
Do not allow a root of bitterness to grow up
that would defile many
[via James-3 curses – ed.].”

– Wes Hall, IHOP revivalist — good guy!!!

Charles Spurgeon: “The more prominent you are in Christ’s service, the more certain are you to…”

From: News with Views

The more prominent you are in Christ’s service, the more certain are you to be the butt of calumny [slander]. I have long ago said farewell to my character.

I lost it in the earlier days of my ministry by being a little more zealous than suited a slumbering age. And I have never been able to regain it except in the sight of Him who judges all the earth, and in the hearts of those who love me for my work’s sake.”

– Charles Haddon Spurgeon