[lust freedom video] Francis Chan: The Biggest Lie in Your Life

We must be free.

Lust is a salvation issue: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

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THE BIGGEST LIE IN YOUR LIFE by Francis Chan at Reality church

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Hating, unforgiving, James-3 cursing, totally Biblically disqualified Martin Luther: “When I die, I want to be a ghost…So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until that they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had before with a thousand living ones.”

Source: pbs.org/empires/martinluther/about_relu.html

“When I die, I want to be a ghost…So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until that they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had before with a thousand living ones.”

– Martin Luther

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Source: archive.org/stream/grisarsluther04grisuoft/grisarsluther04grisuoft_djvu.txt

NIHIL OBSTAT

C. SCHUT, D.D.,

Censor Deputatus.

IMPRIMATUR

EDM. CAN. SURMONT,

Vic. Gen.
Westmonasterii, die 23 Novembris, 1914-

LUTHER

BY

HARTMANN GRISAR, SJ.

PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF INNSBRUCK

AUTHORISED TRANSLATION FROM THE GERMAN BY

E. M. LAMOND

EDITED BY

LUIGI CAPPADELTA

VOLUME IV

LONDON
KEGAN PAUL, TRENCH, TRUBNER & CO, LTD.

BROADWAY HOUSE, 68-74 CARTER LANE, E.G.
1915

[…]

In his tract of 1531 against Duke George he boasted,
that people would in future say, that ” his mouth was
full of angry words, vituperation and curses on the Papists ” ;
that ” he intended to go down to his grave cursing and
abusing the miscreants “ j 1 that as long as breath remained
in him he would ” pursue them to their grave with his
thunders and lightnings “ ; 2 again, he says he will take
refuge in his maledictory prayer against the Papists in order
to ” kindle righteous hatred in his heart,” and even expounds
and recommends this prayer in mockery to his opponent 3
in all this we detect an abnormal feature which characterises
his life and temper. This abnormity is apparent not only
in the intense seriousness with which he utters the most
outrageous things, more befitting a madman than a reason
able being, but also at times in the very satires to which he
has recourse. That the Papacy would have still more to
suffer from him after he was dead, is a prophecy on which
he is ever harping : ” When I die,” he remarks, ” I shall
turn into a spirit that will so plague the bishops, parsons
and godless monks, that one dead Luther will give them
more trouble than a thousand living Luthers.” 4

No theological simile is too strange for him in this morbid
state of mind and feeling. As in the case of those obsessed
by a fixed idea the delusion is ever obtruding itself under
every possible shape, so, in a similar way, every thought, all

1 ” Werke,” Weim. ed., 30, 3, p. 470; Erl. ed., 25 2 , p. 127. 2 Ibid.

3 Ibid. See above, p. 208. Cp. Cordatus, ” Tagebuch,” p. Ill :
” Quandofrigeo in corde . . . oppono contra me impictatem papce,” etc.;
” Werke,” Erl. ed., 60, p. 107 f. ; ” Colloq.,” ed. Bindseil, 2, p. 294.

4 Schlaginhaufen, ” Aufzeichnungen,” p. 74.

Related

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: By their Fruits You Will Know Them — Martin Luther was a false teacher, a racist, a persecutor and a murderer! John Calvin was a false teacher, a deranged tyrant, a persecutor and a murderer!

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

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Martin Luther actually ended up being crazy;
though, his false-salvation doctrine is taught by most pastors today.
…destroyed by his own doctrine,
which is destroying US.

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Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

All of my Luther Didn’t Get It posts (Latest appear first)

[1-minute video] Francis Chan: When you’re too popular…

when you’re too popular

Uploaded by chansblog on Jun 16, 2008

are you willing to say “anything” God asks you to?

[video] David Icke: The Hassle-Free Zone — When you’re on the edge of the hassle-free zone, most people, even if they put their toe out there…

WARNING/DISCLAIMER: Unlike what David Icke says, there is absolute truth, and I personally want to find it and fully live in it, where life is. But the lording-it-over-us gatekeepers allow themselves to be driven by dark forces to pressure us to stay within their imposed parameters — which keep us in bondage where darkness is, away from the truth and light.

If we do what we know is right to do, and go where we know is right to go, regardless of their reaction (many bullies actually pray against us, what I call James-3 curses to keep us in our place, to even make us physically sick), we’ll break FREE from their parameters which are keeping the real thing from happening.

When enough of us break out of the matrix great change can happen and we can be FREE!

Please watch this, being aware of what I said here about David’s teachings:

Jeff Fenske: My Perspective on Real-Historian David Icke | [Don McLean 'Vincent' (Starry, Starry Night) music video] Tribute to Real Historian (still living) David Icke: Perhaps They’ll Listen — “…How you tried to set them free. They would not listen, they’re not listening still. Perhaps they never will.”

David is on the right track. He sees evangelical ‘Christians’ as a major force that drives the immoral wars and the police state, which are key ingredients to the one-world dictatorship. But David doesn’t realize that this is really reverse-Christianity — the opposite of what God wants us to do as peacemakers.

For example, almost certainly, David Icke likes Ron Paul a lot, who is a professing Christian (though he intentionally doesn’t wear it on his sleeve in order to get votes), and also acts like one.

May we not let the bullies pressure us from doing what we know in our hearts is the right thing to do.

To be free and to be ONE!

– Jeff

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The Hassle-Free Zone ∞ David Icke

Uploaded by rohbss on Sep 14, 2011

Truth is Treason in the Empire of LIES. Ron Paul won ALL gop debates. Media continues to ignore Ron Paul (media conspiracy from the left & right paradigm). Paul is the front runner. The globalist are in a huge panic over the fact that the world is waking up to the crimes of the New World Order. Join Ron Paul & the INFO WAR alex Jones before you are starving to death or martial law is declared. The bad guys will run the world until a majority wake up & make personal sacrifices. …

UNFORGIVENESS – A CAUSE of MAJOR BONDAGE

Freedom for the people!!!

From: Johnthebaptisttv… (Andrew Strom)

NOTE: If you ever talk to someone involved in Deliverance ministry they will tell you that the most common cause of severe “demonic” problems in a person’s life is “UNFORGIVENESS”. Clinging on to bitterness or grudges is virtually the singlemost dangerous spiritual thing that a person can do. It can even cause physical sickness. And yet it is so common – even in the church! Below is a great article on this topic by Rodney Francis…

UNFORGIVENESS – A CAUSE of MAJOR BONDAGE
-by Rodney W. Francis.

It has been said that the major cause of hindrances and bondages in the lives of Christians is that of unforgiveness. Every one of us will have experienced things in our lives, disagreements, criticisms, accusations (both true and false) against us. We cannot avoid these things happening. Even Jesus said that it was “impossible but that offences would come” (Luke 17:1). Offences are “stumbling blocks” which come against us ~ things said and done to us to put us down, or to try and subject us to someone else’s will [James-3 curse us – editor], etc. So, no matter how well we handle relationships, etc., we will all face negative things being thrown at us. Some will “attack” us if for no other reason but that they are jealous of us.

For the Christian we must accept that these things will happen in our lives.

· The big issue is how we deal with them!

It is very important to realize that once the offence has taken place, that we cannot change that. What we can change is our response to it, and how we allow it to affect us. The sooner we can take these matters to the Lord and leave them with Him ~ and at the same time practice forgiveness toward those who have offended us ~ the sooner we will be able to get on with our lives and continue to be fruitful in His service. But if we allow those criticisms to get into our emotions and cause us to re-act negatively and to start “bad mouthing” that person who has offended (and hurt) us, then it will quickly get into our spirit and lodge there. Once that happens, then we become the loser in the situation ~ even if the accusations are wrong! It is so important that we learn to keep short accounts with God and with people; otherwise we will start on a downward slippery slope that can cause us to finish up being hurt, angry, resentful, “bitter and twisted”, carrying a wounded spirit in the process. None of us can afford to let that happen. Yet, in my travels in numbers of countries, I am finding wounded Christians that have to be set free…

It is sad, but true, that many who have a prophetic calling in God have been “put down” or prevented from functioning. This has caused many to be “shut down,” be hurt and to go inwards, which does not allow them to pursue and fulfil their calling. Tragically, many Christian Leaders have been guilty of clamping down on those who are trying to exercise their Spiritual Gifts. Regardless of who caused the offence we all need to practice forgiveness. Let me emphasize strongly to you: carrying unforgiveness in your heart is not worth it! There is nothing good or justifiable in our carrying unforgiveness. If you have any unforgiveness in your heart and life right now, let me encourage you to make it a top priority to deal with it, and to get rid of it. Take it to JESUS ~ give it to Him, as He is the only One who can take it away from us. It is He that we are called to please; and our carrying unforgiveness does not please Him at all. In fact unforgiveness stops God from forgiving us of our many offences against Him (Matthew 6:14-15)! Right now, come before the Lord Jesus and give it all to Him.

-Please comment on this topic below-

Source – http://www.gospel.org.nz

My theory on the Nephilim: When God told the Children of Israel to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan (the giants), there was this Genesis-6, demon-contaminated genetic problem again? Israel did not; and then there was intermarriage. This would explain why so many seem to be predisposed towards evil — and they become our leaders — even of churches?!!

This may be the most controversial concept I’ll suggest at this site, but it’s a theory that explains so much, that I must finally share this view that I’ve been considering for about a few decades.

How is it that we can write about issues so clearly, proving them beyond the shadow of a doubt, yet many reject them wholesale, like the very clear doctrine of who really goes to heaven, for example?

No one can refute Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, and once-saved-always-saved has been soundly refuted by many, yet this great deception is still mainstream in America — which I believe is the number one cause for our Republic’s destruction. When the ‘Christians’ cease being salt and light, thinking they don’t have to truly be in Christ….

Certainly, the demons that affect most ‘Christians’ are a huge factor. I have an entire category called “Demons in Christians,” in which there are almost 60 posts, currently. I show how demons can absolutely be in Christians. Most have many. This is a huge problem, and certainly this is true of non-Christians as well. Demons empower people to commit and then justify their sins. Most people don’t live holy enough to be free.

And James talks about how ‘Christians’ can actually curse people, what I call James-3 curses. ‘Christians’ can actually wish/pray things on others from their hearts. But these are ‘prayers’/curses that demons answer, not God. And these demons can set the course for people’s lives.

But demons in ‘Christians’ doesn’t by itself explain why so many ‘Christians’ just don’t get it, no matter how clearly we put out the truth. And to make things worse, it seems that today’s church leaders are almost universally unable to understand what is really true about key, basic doctrines. They also seem to be among those most apt to James-3 curse God’s people whom they consider are challenges to their power, for example: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

I personally have probably been cursed by ‘church’ leaders more than any other group of people. It’s fierce, which I show here.

It seems to me, having been a Christian for more than 35 years, that there is something more going on here. Why are most church leaders not even really Christlike, yet few will fully step down and let those who truly are led by the Spirit lead.

They maintain their position by James-3 cursing those whom they see threaten their position of power. They’ll pray against those who would start legitimate churches in which Jesus Christ would be Head — and they’ll vote Republican no matter what, supporting every reverse-Christian war — totally ignoring Ron Paul, the peacemaker. They don’t seem to understand at all how the second greatest commandment applies to our neighbors overseas too. They just don’t get it, and they’ll hardly ever apologize to anyone they’ve hurt, totally ignoring Paul’s elders’ qualifications that overseers MUST be blameless. They seem to have no fear of God. How can this be?

How can church leaders say one thing and do another? And how can they so readily dismiss clear prophecies given to them by those who have been so careful to accurately hear?

And they’ll even lie to cover up what they’ve done, instead of coming clean so we can become ONE in Christ — so God can move among us as His body. How can they lie, knowing what the Bible so clearly says about what happens to all liars? There is mischief in their hearts (Psalm 28), but on the outside they act like everything is okay, “ha, ha, ha” laughing.

Is it possible that many people have a greater propensity for evil based upon their bloodlines, and therefore they force themselves into these power, limelight positions?

I’ve actually put my Nephilim theory aside for many recent years, because I really don’t want to minimize what any person can do. But I’ve just seen too often some people just don’t act like full people. John Prine put it this way:

Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind
You open up their hearts
And here’s what you’ll find
A few frozen pizzas
Some ice cubes with hair
A broken Popsicle
You don’t want to go there

Watch him sing it here: [video] John Prine: “Some Humans Ain’t Human” — Austin City Limits

Biblically, this is how I think it comes down. This is a good background reference from which I’ll quote; though, they don’t go exactly where I do: Notes on the Nephilim: The Giants of Old, which is a collection of seven writings by these seven authors: James Montgomery Boice | Henry Morris | Chuck Missler | Ray C. Stedman | Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum | Rick Lanser | Bob Deffingbaugh, Th.M.

Genesis 6

1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 that God’s sons [bene elohim*] saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose. 3 Yahweh said, “My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart. 7 Yahweh said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the surface of the ground; man, along with animals, creeping things, and birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in Yahweh’s eyes.

9 This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless [his human genes weren't altered by this spirit-sexual invasion, some say] among the people of his time. Noah walked with God. 10 Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 God saw the earth, and saw that it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

13 God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

* bene elohim, from: Notes on the Nephilim

The phrase “sons of God” (bene elohim) is used only three other times in the Testament, as indicated earlier-in Job 1:6; 2:1; and 38:7. In each case it clearly means spirit beings…

The most common interpretation (backed by the Book of Enoch, a non-biblical, but still important work) has been that fallen angles had sex with human women, who bore hybrid offspring who were part demon and part human. And therefore the huge gap between the evil that prevailed in Noah’s day and the righteousness of Noah, himself, whose bloodline was kept pure, from which Jesus was born. I would say all mankind after the flood, but according to Genesis 6, this bizarre union between demons and humans happened again after the flood, which is why God told the Children of Israel to kill all of the giants in the Land of Canaan. Why else would He say that?

Chuck Missler from Notes on the Nephilim

7. Post-Flood Implications

The strange offspring also continued after the flood: “There were Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that…” (25) The “Sethite” view fails to meaningfully address the prevailing conditions “also after that.” It offers no insight into the presence of the subsequent “giants” in the land of Canaan.

One of the disturbing aspects of the Old Testament record was God’s instructions, upon entering the land of Canaan, to wipe out every man, woman, and child of certain tribes inhabiting the land. This is difficult to justify without the insight of a “gene pool problem” from the remaining Nephilim, Rephaim, et al., which seems to illuminate the difficulty.

So this is what I think could have actually happened. After the flood, after God wiped out the demon-contaminated gene pool, the Nephilim strange offspring thing happened again. Caleb reported there were giants. This time, God told the children of Israel to wipe out every man, woman and child, to take care of this gene pool contamination problem. But Israel did not, and eventually even interbred with the Nephilim.

So today, many, if not most people (according to this theory) have some demon in their genetics; though, probably less than the 50% ratio that the original Nephilim had, who were so evil that God decided to wipe them all out in the flood, and then have the children of Israel kill them all, when it happened again (though they did not).

These are the scoundrels, who force their way to most of the top political, corporate and power positions, including church leadership.

They can lie without even hardly feeling guilty. The root of all evil, the love of money often drives them in one way or another — and they’ll James-3 curse those who they see are a threat to their power — those who would lead the country, businesses and churches justly, under God — not just saying they are.

They’ll think that those who aren’t demon-gene contaminated are weird, actually calling for real holiness and real integrity — that we would actually really treat our neighbors (even those overseas) as we would ourselves.

And the minority, who aren’t demon-gene contaminated can more easily see. Many have also been deceived into swimming in the mainstream current that is taking US down, but writings like my own make sense to them. And they, like me are have a hard time realizing why humans, who are supposed to be created in the image of God are not more wise.

I don’t want to name any names, but I can think of a particular talk show host that many Republicans listen to who is clearly not one of us; though, he acts like he’s the gift of God to America. Bush could do know wrong, according to Him: all of the reverse-Christian wars and the Constitution gutting policies — the bankster bailout — and even laughing about torture! And President George W. Bush ran as a Christian. And few were wise enough and Biblical enough to see through the facade that he and so many wear.

Who really is a Christian? Who are the children of God, really? Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Those of us who can see should stick together and get ONE happening. If we don’t lead who will — the same old same old who are leading US into the pit?

Once ONE happens (John 17), then many will see and follow as God’s glory literally falls, and perhaps many will even get gene transplants, which I’ve thought of as a very real possibility.

Another key thing to learn here. This should help us have more compassion for those of us who are so evil to us without cause. Maybe they really just are predisposed, based upon their altered genetics, to evil, and it really is much harder for them to see.

And as we forgive fully, then their curses have no right to stick onto us — and we can all be free!

It seems that America is going down fast, but the church can rise up, and this can be the greatest adventure of our entire lives — ONE with each other in Christ.

Jesus wants to be the head of the church. All church leaders must be truly submitted to Him, or they can’t even be real Christians, let alone qualified to lead, being ‘blameless,’ Paul said. And “those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh.”

Many pastors are simply confidence-men (con-men). They can tell a good story — and laugh “ha, ha, ha” — as a substitute for the Holy Spirit moving…. What we need are leaders who can lead us to worship God in Spirit and in truth — those whom God chooses to lead.

Then the end will come, after the Gospel (the real Gospel) is preached around the world. Now we’re mostly spreading a cheap imitation in which God isn’t even involved.

May we be ONE.

Then the world will know.

Jeff Fenske

Related:

I touched upon this in 2007: Fenske on Chuck Norris’ “Would Jesus Support War?” – ‘A God of War’ & ‘*a* Prince of Peace’

Could this have been true of John Calvin and Martin Luther, whose misinterpretations of Paul’s teaching on salvation are mainstream today? They were clearly Biblically disqualified to lead, yet many follow their doctrine?

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: An Anabaptist speaks out on Martin Luther and John Calvin

Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

Luther: Let us BANISH the epistle of James, for it is ‘WORTHLESS’ — written by a non-Christian and can’t be reconciled with Paul

[WordPOWER!] Psalm 37: “Don’t fret because of evildoers…. The perfect, their inheritance shall be forever. They shall not be disappointed in the time of evil. In the days of famine they shall be satisfied. But the wicked shall perish.”

I awoke this morning, hearing “Psalm 37″ in that still, small voice — which could easily be mistaken for  just another thought, but it didn’t come from me. I didn’t originate it.

That’s how God usually speaks to us. It behooves us to tune in.

Let’s listen.

jeff

Psalm 37

World English Bible

1 Don’t fret because of evildoers, neither be envious against those who work unrighteousness.

2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither like the green herb.

3 Trust in Yahweh, and do good. Dwell in the land [abide in Christ], and enjoy safe pasture.

4 Also delight yourself in Yahweh, and he will give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to Yahweh. Trust also in him, and he will do this:

6 he will make your righteousness go forth as the light, and your justice as the noon day sun.

7 Rest in Yahweh, and wait patiently for him. Don’t fret because of him who prospers in his way, because of the man who makes wicked plots happen.

8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath. Don’t fret, it leads only to evildoing.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off, but those who wait for Yahweh shall inherit the land.

10 For yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more. Yes, though you look for his place, he isn’t there.

11 But the humble shall inherit the land, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

12 The wicked plots against the just, and gnashes at him with his teeth.

13 The Lord will laugh at him, for he sees that his day is coming.

14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, to kill those who are upright in the way.

15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart. Their bows shall be broken.

16 Better is a little that the righteous has, than the abundance of many wicked.

17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken, but Yahweh upholds the righteous.

18 Yahweh knows the days of the perfect. Their inheritance shall be forever.

19 They shall not be disappointed in the time of evil. In the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

20 But the wicked shall perish. The enemies of Yahweh shall be like the beauty of the fields. They will vanish– vanish like smoke.

21 The wicked borrow, and don’t pay back, but the righteous give generously.

22 For such as are blessed by him shall inherit the land. Those who are cursed by him shall be cut off.

23 A man’s goings are established by Yahweh. He delights in his way.

24 Though he stumble, he shall not fall, for Yahweh holds him up with his hand.

25 I have been young, and now am old, yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his children begging for bread.

26 All day long he deals graciously, and lends. His seed is blessed.

27 Depart from evil, and do good. Live securely forever.

28 For Yahweh loves justice, and doesn’t forsake his saints. They are preserved forever, but the children of the wicked shall be cut off.

29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and live in it forever.

30 The mouth of the righteous talks of wisdom. His tongue speaks justice.

31 The law of his God is in his heart. None of his steps shall slide.

32 The wicked watches the righteous, and seeks to kill him.

33 Yahweh will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.

34 Wait for Yahweh, and keep his way, and he will exalt you to inherit the land. When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.

35 I have seen the wicked in great power, spreading himself like a green tree in its native soil.

36 But he passed away, and behold, he was not. Yes, I sought him, but he could not be found.

37 Mark the perfect man, and see the upright, for there is a future for the man of peace.

38 As for transgressors, they shall be destroyed together. The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

39 But the salvation of the righteous is from Yahweh. He is their stronghold in the time of trouble.

40 Yahweh helps them, and rescues them. He rescues them from the wicked, and saves them, Because they have taken refuge in him. A Psalm by David, for a memorial.

Francis Frangipane: Holiness Precedes Power | More of my experiences at Trinity and in the Vineyard Movement | Why did John and Chris Whimber die?

“A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful,
but holiness will precede power.”

– Francis Frangipane

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I read Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God, by Francis Frangipane during the Vineyard Movement, when I first attended Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in ’89-90.

It was so much fun to attend the Evanston Vineyard (where I bought Francis’ book) — the presence of God and the peace that passes all understanding was so evident.

The fire spread to other students, and Professor Wayne Grudem was wonderfully also involved.

The effect this was having on the students greatly angered many of the cessationist adhering faculty members. There were us smiling students and then there were the eyes that looked away as we approached on the campus sidewalks. It was almost like in the days of Jesus, how he was hated by the religious leaders while saying “blessed are the peacemakers.”

Some of the faculty even openly opposed the movement (writing papers), which died soon after I left, so that when I returned to Trinity a few years later things were back to dead-normal; though, TEDS did add a course finally in Systematic Theology on the person of the Holy Spirit: ST 5103 (603)!

When John Wimber and his son, Chris Wimber (head of Vineyard Music) physically died, I knew why: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable” I knew why when John was sick and couldn’t figure out why. “Christians” can be so mean, diabolical!

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

During the second time I studied at Trinity, I had a dream in which I was told that if I didn’t pray an hour a day (in tongues) that I wouldn’t make it. Here, God shows how this works: A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls). The gift discussed here is speaking in tongues, which unfortunately the Vineyard Movement largely ran from; even though, they embraced many of the other spiritual gifts, like healing and the word of knowledge. Had they embraced tongues, I think it’s probable that John and Chris would still be alive today. There is no doubt that John was hated fiercely by the old guard. Instead of admitting they were wrong, they James-3 cursed him. Many were Calvinists basically doing what their founder did:

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!

Some of us saw Francis Frangipane and John Wimber speak (I think even Jack Deere was there, former professor Dallas Theological Seminary — Dallas excludes those who believe in the gifts) in a Chicago auditorium at a Vineyard conference during this time, including Wayne Grudem. I discuss some of this here:

“The Perfect Storm” by John Paul Jackson. What to expect in the next 10 years. To overcome, we must be right with each other: “You must have clean hands and not harmed others. And if you have, you must repent so that you can be clean” | My experience at Trinity.

In this post, I state a key reason why I believe the movement died — the introduction of tithing. They built a new building at their headquarters in Los Angeles. Prior to this, they taught the people to be led by the Holy Spirit in giving, determining in their hearts what to give, like Paul actually taught:

The Day that Tithing Ended—To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Another key reason the Vineyard Movement died is that John Wimber, himself was a Calvinist. Vineyard did not teach the truth about who goes to heaven: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

In the ’90s, when the worship music died, there was much sin in the camp and they were still trying to worship God in song. People sought the gifts and not the Creator. Though, in the late ’80s, there was a strong holiness emphasis, influenced to a great degree by Francis Frangipane’s book: Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. And this is the main reason why God responded in signs and wonders during this period. The glory of God, His presence was so often evident.

May we get it right this time:

no tithing;

include tongues

and the truth about who goes to heaven.

jeff fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

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From: An email from Francis Frangipane

Holiness Precedes Power

Many Christians look for shortcuts to the power of God. To try shortcuts is to become, at best, frustrated; at worst, a false teacher or prophet. Listen very carefully: there is tremendous power for us in God but not without holiness. Holiness precedes power.

When John Saw Jesus

Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?” But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him. After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”        Matthew 3:13-17

Let us understand this prophet, John the Baptist. According to the Scriptures, John was filled with the Holy Spirit “while yet in his mother’s womb” (Luke 1:15). We are also told his coming was in the spirit and power of Elijah. Historians tell us that John’s penetrating, uncompromising ministry led nearly one million people to repentance. Vast multitudes left their cities and towns and went into the wilderness to hear the prophet and be baptized into repentance in preparation for the kingdom of God.

Only Jesus knew the fallen condition of the human heart more perfectly than John. No class of people escaped the Baptist’s judgment: soldiers and kings, sinners and religious leaders alike were all brought into the “valley of decision.” John’s baptism was more than a simple immersion in water. He required a public confession of sins as well as the bringing forth of righteousness (Matt. 3:6, 8).

Jesus testified that John was “more than a prophet.” He said, among those born of women, “there has not arisen anyone greater than John” (Matt. 11:9-11). John was a “seer prophet,” which meant he had open vision into the spirit realm. He testified that “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven” (John 1:32). He saw “the wrath to come” (Matt. 3:7). He witnessed “the kingdom of heaven” (v. 2). John had insight into the secrets of men’s hearts. His vision penetrated the veneer of the well-respected Pharisees; within their souls he saw a “brood of vipers.” Understand this about prophets: they are aware of things that are hidden from other men.

But when Jesus came to be baptized, before the heavens opened and the Holy Spirit descended, John saw something that was overwhelming even to his standard of righteousness. He gazed [into] Jesus’ heart, and he saw no sins, no lies, no lusts. John saw a level of holiness that, without knowing he was gazing at the Messiah, caused him to utter with astonishment, “I have need to be baptized by You” (v. 14).

Jesus, as the “Lamb of God” (John 1:36), was without spot or blemish. This is exactly what the prophet beheld in Jesus: spotless purity of heart. Christ’s virtue took John’s breath away! The powerful emanation of Christ’s inner purity made John immediately aware of his own need. When John saw Jesus, he discovered a level of righteousness that was higher, purer than his own. This great prophet looked into the heart of Jesus, and in the brightness of Christ’s holiness he cried, “I have need.”

And so it is with us. Each time we see Jesus, each successive revelation of Christ’s purity makes our need more apparent. As Christ’s holiness unfolds before us, we cannot but echo the same cry of John the Baptist: “I have need to be baptized by You!”

Yet, in the beginning of our walk, we embraced life in our own strength, trusting in our own skills for success and attainment. Yes, we turned to God, but mainly in times of grief or trial. However, as the Lord brings us into maturity, what we once considered strengths are actually discovered to be weaknesses. Our pride and self-confidence keep us from God’s help; the clamor of our many ideas and desires drown the whisper of the still small voice of God. Indeed, in God’s eyes, the best of human successes are still “wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked” (Rev. 3:17).

In time, we discover that all true strength, all true effectiveness–yes, our very holiness itself–begins with discovering our need. We grow weaker, less confident in our abilities. As the outer shell of self-righteousness crumbles, Jesus Himself becomes God’s answer to every man who cries for holiness and power in his walk.

We may think we have spiritual gifts, we may presume we are holy, we may rejoice with human successes, but until we see Christ and abandon our reliance upon our self-righteousness, all we will ever have, at best, is religion.

Oh, let us grasp this truth with both hands; let it never slip from us. Jesus Himself is our source of holiness! We are so eager to do something for Him–anything, as long as we do not have to change inside. God does not need what we can do; He wants what we are. He wants to make us a holy people. Let us not be anxious in this process. Allow Him to do the deep inner work of preparation. Jesus lived thirty years of sinless purity before He did one work of power! His goal was not to do some great work but to please the Father with a holy life.

Hear me; our goal, likewise, is not to become powerful but to become holy with Christ’s presence. God promises to empower that which He first makes holy. Do you want your Christianity to work? Then seek Jesus Himself as your source and standard of holiness. Do you want to see the power of God in your life? Then seek to know Christ’s purity of heart. If we are becoming the people Jesus calls His own, we should be growing in holiness. A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful, but holiness will precede power.

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The preceding article came from Pastor Frangipane’s first book, Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. This book was recently re-published by Charisma House. Look for the new edition to be in stores March 1. However, we still have a number of the previous edition, which has the same content. If you are interested in this powerful classic, we are making the old version available for just $4.95. This is available on a first-come, first-served basis as quantities are limited.

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[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

I awoke, hearing “Psalm 38,” again. This has happened to me before.

I get cursed a lot, what I call James-3 cursing, when its from ‘Christians.’ And unless we forgive everyone, 100% from our whole hearts the arrows have a right to pierce us, which Jesus describes in Matthew 18:

Jesus on forgiving to be free from demons in Matthew 18: “So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your HEARTS for his misdeeds.”

[WordPOWER!] 1 John 4 “Perfect Love Casts Out Fear” means us perfectly loving, not us perfectly accepting His love for us (as is commonly taught). Let’s love perfectly!

So the problem is us and them. We can pray for them, which helps us and them:

I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues…

But what should even be more important in our thinking is to totally release and forgive — and perfectly love. And at this point, hardly anyone, including myself seems to be able to walk in this 24/7.

I was just reading this, which I think is another huge key.

Holiness Will Excise Darkness — Many will follow and run from iniquity when you are holy, when your sights are set on Me, up, where they belong.

God allows us to be cursed, which often even causes illnesses,  so we get fed up with being tormented, so we learn to walk in total love, where perfect love casts out fear.

It’s hard to walk in perfect love when there is so much hate and anger coming our way — if and when we stand up for righteousness in the mostly dark days we are in. But are warfare is not against people who are actually demon driven to hate and attack us, ‘Christians’ James-3 cursing brothers and sisters in the Lord.

We’re living in a dark period, but many will follow and run from iniquity when we are holy…!

Power to the peaceful! Peace starts with us!

I’ll comment on David’s Psalm 38 via highlighting and putting comments in brackets.

Psalm 38

1 Yahweh, don’t rebuke me in your wrath, neither chasten me in your hot displeasure. [Notice how the Lord was angry in Mt. 18 when the servant wouldn't forgive. God can get angry with us when we willfully withhold love no matter what revisionist pastors say]

2 For your arrows have pierced me, your hand presses hard on me. [God disciplines those He loves, being His sons and daughters. It appears that the "arrows" are evil spirits (Mt. 18 'tormentors') allowed to affect us until we walk in perfect love, not giving them a right to enter. Evil spirits can actually grab body parts, which could feel like pressure. Look at the source of these arrows which David shows starting in verse 12 — the hate and anger, the James-3 cursing!]

3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of your indignation, neither is there any health in my bones because of my sin.

4 For my iniquities have gone over my head. As a heavy burden, they are too heavy for me.

5 My wounds are loathsome and corrupt, because of my foolishness.

6 I am pained and bowed down greatly. I go mourning all day long.

7 For my waist is filled with burning. There is no soundness in my flesh.

8 I am faint and severely bruised. I have groaned by reason of the anguish of my heart.

9 Lord, all my desire is before you. My groaning is not hidden from you.

10 My heart throbs. My strength fails me. As for the light of my eyes, it has also left me.

11 My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my plague. My kinsmen stand far away.

12 They also who seek after my life lay snares. Those who seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and meditate deceits all day long.

13 But I, as a deaf man, don’t hear. I am as a mute man who doesn’t open his mouth.

14 Yes, I am as a man who doesn’t hear, in whose mouth are no reproofs.

15 For in you, Yahweh, do I hope. You will answer, Lord my God.

16 For I said, “Don’t let them gloat over me, or exalt themselves over me when my foot slips.”

17 For I am ready to fall. My pain is continually before me.

18 For I will declare my iniquity. I will be sorry for my sin.

19 But my enemies are vigorous and many. Those who hate me without reason are numerous.

20 They who also render evil for good are adversaries to me, because I follow what is good.

21 Don’t forsake me, Yahweh. My God, don’t be far from me.

22 Hurry to help me, Lord, my salvation. For the Chief Musician. For Jeduthun. A Psalm by David.

Related:

James-3 cursing:

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within

A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

Strand: Most ‘Christians’ James-3 Curse & Matthew-5 Lust

‘Pastor’: You can pray AGAINST people too. “It’s well worth it!” – Vs – God: “Bless and don’t curse;” “This wisdom is…DEMONIC;” “Overcome evil with good,” “that you may be children of your Father”

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

[WordPOWER!] James — Demons WITHIN drive ‘Christians’ to curse people. “If you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition IN YOUR HEART” you’re probably a James-3 curser. If so, “don’t lie against the truth.” Instead, be a PEACEMAKER, “for they shall be called children of God.” – Jesus

[WordPOWER!] omans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

[WordPower!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)

Totally Forgiving

Why 9/11? | Forgiveness is the Key to Repentance

Forgive and Be Free

A Heart that is Clean Can Shake Mountains

Holiness Will Excise Darkness — Many will follow and run from iniquity when you are holy, when your sights are set on Me, up, where they belong.

Art Mathias on It’s Supernatural: Spiritual Roots of Disease — Healed Through Forgiving (If there is pain in a memory there is unforgiveness)

Forgiving-Others, Freedom Prayer!

Have-We-Forgiven Gauge: “If There is Pain In a Memory There is Bitterness”

John Tesh & Friends: How Important is FORGIVENESS in a Relationship? | FORGIVING: Our GREATEST OPPORTUNITY to SHOW the LOVE of Christ!

Greg Boyd’s Prayer: Teach us to be free, forgiving even our worst enemy

Greg Boyd: In the kingdom of God, we are not allowed to have any enemiesEd Young: Joseph—Betrayal, Forgiving, Trust, Patience & Loyalty—”Let God Take Care of Revenge”

[WordPower!] Jesus on forgiving to be free from demons in Matthew 18: “So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your HEARTS for his misdeeds.”

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

[WordPower!] Philippians 2: Loving Others More than Ourselves to Love Others as Much? The Greatest Key to Forgiving & Holiness?

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: A Nation of Truth Rejectors — “Churches are filled with bitterness, carnality, envy, deceit, duplicity, false accusation, greed, and cowardice due to a lack of truth. … Many of those today that are resisting and disabling truth call themselves Christians. … In reality, people who reject truth lose a whole lot more than whatever they had hoped to gain. Eventually, they lose, not only their own lives, but also the life of their country.”

This, my friends, is a masterpiece!!!

Chuck hits another one out of the park!

We must desire truth, first, in our own hearts [heart's color added by editor — because we're literally talking about the actual heart here!]. We MUST be willing to objectively analyze our motives and actions.

Truth also demands courage and honesty, because sometimes it can be very painful to look at! It takes an honest man to desire truth, as truth will often reveal the character flaws in his own soul. It also takes courage to appreciate truth, as truth will often demand that one change his own opinion or conduct.

How can people be so unconcerned about truth and so spiteful toward those who seek it? [James-3 cursing them – editor]

From: chuckbaldwinlive.com…

Posted on Jan 6, 2011

A NATION OF TRUTH REJECTERS

A bedrock principle of Natural Law (the Law upon which Western Civilization rests) is the primacy of truth. Without a desire for, and appreciation of, truth, society cannot sustain itself. Lies, deceit, duplicity, etc., are more than moral evils; they are the bane of freedom and liberty. Take away truth, and one is left without honor, justice, or decency. Truth is the cement that holds the bricks and stones of a sane and civilized society together. Remove the former and the latter will crumble.

Truth also demands courage and honesty, because sometimes it can be very painful to look at! It takes an honest man to desire truth, as truth will often reveal the character flaws in his own soul. It also takes courage to appreciate truth, as truth will often demand that one change his own opinion or conduct. Unfortunately, it does appear that the desire for truth has been replaced with a desire for deceit.

Years ago, a great, old preacher-warrior told my former church congregation, “People today love being lied to.” How right he was! For the most part, even professing Christian people today love being lied to. It would seem that many people find deceit easier to digest than truth. Maybe it’s because these people lack the aforementioned virtues of honesty and courage.

Truth demands the virtue of honesty, because honesty requires that information be objectively analyzed and studied; it requires that personal prejudices and proclivities be set aside; it requires that humility replace pride, which allows one’s opinions and conduct to change in the face of truth.

Truth also demands courage, as courage is the active response to honesty. To know what is right to do is great (many people do not even know this much), but to act upon what one knows to be right is even greater–and also harder! Courage gives men the fortitude and conviction to suffer personal loss in order to be faithful to their own honesty. Courage places more value on honesty and truth than on personal prosperity or aggrandizement [The act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one's own importance, power, or reputation – editor]. Courage propelled Daniel into the lion’s den; it drove Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego into the burning fiery furnace; it placed a youthful David onto the battlefield alone against a fierce and ferocious adversary; it gathered Pastor Jonas Clark’s congregants (mostly farmers and merchants) onto Lexington Green to face Britain’s highly trained, professional soldiers.

So, where are the virtues of honesty and courage in the desire for truth today? Threaten the average pastor and church leader with some obscure IRS tax code and they will quickly turn their backs upon virtually every principle of truth and honor that they once professed to believe. The mere threat of potential financial loss sends men (excuse me, males) scurrying for cover.

In this regard, when then-Senator Lyndon Johnson created the heinous 501(c)3 IRS tax-exempt status for churches, he very cleverly (with assistance from Hades, I might add) planted the seeds that would grow up to intimidate the vast majority of America’s pastors and church leaders into becoming silent slaves of the state. In fact, if one has an opportunity to ever bore deeply into the matter, he or she will discover that most pastors and church leaders today do not even regard the Church as the institution of the living God, bound only to the laws and principles of God’s Holy Word; they perceive it as a creature of the state, bound to the subjective machinations of IRS bureaucrats and their toadies in the law profession. And should a choice ever have to be made between the two, God, His Word, and His Church will be thrown under the bus in preference to the state-owned corporation. So much for truth–or honesty, or courage, for that matter.

The rejection of truth seems ubiquitous in America today. When did it start? Maybe when Abraham Lincoln turned the Constitution on its head and–at bayonet point–turned republicanism into nationalism; maybe when Woodrow Wilson rejected thousands of years of human history and turned America’s sound money system over to the corrupt and illegitimate Federal Reserve; maybe when Wilson created the monstrous Internal Revenue Service; maybe when the 17th Amendment was adopted; maybe when the American media convinced people that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy; maybe when the American people (including the vast majority of pastors and Christians) turned their backs (and their hearts) to the Branch Davidians, who were murdered by federal agents outside Waco, Texas; maybe when so-called “conservative” Senate Republicans deliberately chose to cover up President Bill Clinton’s criminal conduct; maybe when the powers that be began demonizing anyone who dared to question the “official” story regarding the events on 9/11/01; maybe when a vast majority of Christians and conservatives blindly followed and actively supported the unconstitutional, un-American policies of President George W. Bush. They supported Bush when he threw off Western Civilization’s time-tested Just War doctrine (and replaced it with an unconscionable Preemptive War policy), and, again, when he officially began turning America into a police state by creating the Department of Homeland Security, implementing the Military Commissions Act, introducing the Patriot Act, and dismantling Habeus Corpus and Posse Comitatus. Whenever it started, the sad reality is, America has largely become a nation of truth-rejecters.

There is a passage of Scripture that I simply must interject here: “Because they received not the love of the truth . . . God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” (II Thess. 2:10,11 KJV)

This is one of God’s universal principles: when people deliberately reject truth, God will allow them to believe lies, which always leads to ultimate destruction. I submit that is exactly where America is today. As a nation, we have rejected truth, and God is giving us over to deceit and falsehood. And what is interesting to me is the way in which many unbelievers seem to have a thirst for truth that far surpasses that of many professing Christians. This leads to an amazing paradox.

Think of it: when God is moving within a nation with His plan of truth and justice (which He is always doing), then it stands to reason that the evil one is, likewise, resisting and countering God’s plan through deceit and falsehood. This means that those unbelievers who seek truth are allying themselves with God (maybe even unwittingly), while those professing Christians who have rejected truth are allying themselves against God (again, maybe even unwittingly). Remember, God called the heathen king, Cyrus, “my shepherd.” (Isa. 44:28) But one thing is constant: truth is like a magnet: one is always being pulled toward it or away from it, depending upon the polarity of one’s heart and mind. People who embrace truth tend to embrace it further, while people who reject truth tend to be continually hardened against it.

Think of the conflicts of world and American history where brothers fought against brothers. Many of these brethren died at the hands of brethren fighting for truth, while other brethren died fighting against truth. And though men may be unable to discern the difference, God suffers from no such malady. He knows those who enable truth and those who disable it. And many of those today that are resisting and disabling truth call themselves Christians. There is another appropriate Scripture: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:20 KJV)

Again, the desire for truth is a bedrock principle of a free and independent society. We must desire truth, first, in our own hearts [heart's color added by editor — because we're literally talking about the actual heart here!]. We must be willing to objectively analyze our motives and actions based upon this fundamental principle. How can so many people (including professing Christians) behave so dishonestly? How can they act so cowardly? How is it that truth is only precious when it doesn’t cost us anything? How can people be so unconcerned about truth and so spiteful toward those who seek it [James-3 cursing them – editor]? How can those who claim as their Savior the One is “the way, the truth, and the life” be so calloused against truth? How can those who claim to read the word of truth (the Bible) be so ignorant of truth?

Look around you: our society is breaking apart due to a lack of appreciation for truth. Small businesses are being put out of business due to a lack of truth. Families are being torn apart due to a lack of truth. Churches are filled with bitterness, carnality, envy, deceit, duplicity, false accusation, greed, and cowardice due to a lack of truth. Our political institutions mock the principles of decency and honor due to a lack of truth. The national media loves to distort truth; the federal judiciary loves to twist truth; and there is no such thing as truth to Big Business–only bottom line profits [the love of money is… – editor].

As we enter a new year in search of Heaven’s blessing and protection, let us remind ourselves that God always judges people who reject truth. Always! If we truly want Heaven’s blessing and protection upon our land, we will start–each of us–by being willing to seek and embrace truth, even if doing so costs us something; because, in reality, people who reject truth lose a whole lot more than whatever they had hoped to gain. Eventually, they lose, not only their own lives, but also the life of their country.

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