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Thanks for posting. Hope this could be download. A lot of christians are too lazy and intimidated with controversies like eternal security, OSAS etc. But a searching heart always persevere to find what is true. I don’t regret it. Mr. Dan, i know is widely ridiculed and ignored and it doesn’t suprise me. Truth bothers many people in the religious establishment and it’s always been the case when somebody blew their covers. Many christians i believe will fall because of false security. The warning passages in scripture are lost to twisted interpretations and are downplayed all the time. Discerning christians must perservere, fight the good fight and never give up. Life is short. Too much distraction is on the way. Be sure you are the one to make it in the end. let’s keep running this difficult path ahead. let’s leave this sad, depressing world and receive that crown God will give to us on that place. Bless you all.
Comment by jie4him — February 16, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
there really good colors in the video, however, i think it’s a little to long.
Comment by samlouis — February 24, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
Dan Corner states that Scripture gives at least 18 examples of people who lost their salvation. Perhaps he could give at least one example if one exists.
The comment by samlouis was rather humorous: “there really good colors in the video, however, i think it’s a little to long”. I certainly agree with sam! :-)
Phil
Comment by Phillip M. Evans — May 5, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
Dear Phil,
The 18 examples are probably in his 801-page book, which I’ve now linked, above.
I also put up a link to Joe Schimmel’s excellent message, which I just posted, after thinking about your reiteration of the comment about the above video being too long. Schimmel’s presentation is full of life. And he covers a lot of ground that I don’t in “Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures.” This is very serious.
Regarding the 18 examples of people who have lost their salvation, Dan Corner sometimes uses examples from the old covenant as if these apply directly to the new covenant. I don’t think this is a safe practise, for once the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost to now indwell those who have been born-again, our ability to overcome sin has increased dramatically, but so has our responsibility.
Jesus introduced this great change in Matthew 5 in the Sermon on the Mount; though, people didn’t have the *grace* to fully walk in this until “the Spirit of truth has come” (John 14-16).
For example, Jesus said: “YOU HAVE HEARD that it was said to those OF OLD, ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ BUT I SAY that anyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her IN HIS HEART. …for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.”
Jesus upped the ante, not lowered it, as Hebrews 10:26-39 also clearly shows. Verses 28-29 only:
“A man who disregards MOSES’ LAW dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses. HOW MUCH WORSE PUNISHMENT, do you think, will he be judged worthy of, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of THE COVENANT with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of GRACE?”
Things are a lot different today, but not in the way that is commonly taught across America—that it’s either hard or impossible to lose our salvation—and thus our decline?
But the really good news is that conversely, once the truth gets out about who really goes to heaven, ONE Can Happen (Jesus’ heart-cry in John 17)! And we can have the best times of our lives—one with Christ and each other!!!
Freedom!
Jeff Fenske
Comment by Jeff Fenske — May 6, 2008 @ 3:22 am
Have anyone of you ever read a book “freedom of the will” by Jonathan Edwards? I was raised in arminian oriented church but after finding out what arminians teach and mean by freedom of will and all their wolrdview I must admit that till that time I feel so sorry for anyone who can believe in such ridiculous theories based on Thomas Aquinas philosophy. And all that never ending controversy is going on an on because none will ever come to understanding of the Bible believing in Aquinas philosophy. And this is basic philosophy of this world. And that’s the root of misunderstanding.
And I should say that modern idea of once saved forever saved and live like a devil (I think most of american christianity) is as much damnable as arminian/pelagian theology.
One more thing. I’ve read the book written by Daniel Corner on the topic pf security of salvation. And I don’t know but as for me it seems that if I want to prove myself more effectively I must pour all kind of filth on the man whom I appose… Is it a christian way in america? I know that every man has flaws but for example I’m not necessary agree on everything with Spurgeon or MacArthur but I know that God did huge things trough these man so what kind of license do I have to pour a filth on them??? Isn’t it the way devil accuses and blames every christian??? Plus I’ve tried to confirm some things that were said about Augustine or Calvin and came to conclusion that many things are pure speculations… God even prohibits ill saying toward devil and how dare anyone to pour filth on the heads of Gods servants even if they were wrong in some instances?
PS: Sorry for my english but it really grieves me that such books are being translated in my language…
Comment by Daniel — June 6, 2008 @ 5:15 pm
Dear Daniel,
I think I understand where you are coming from regarding Dan Corner’s too often unnecessary combative statements, which is the main reason I don’t post more of his work. This has been saddening to me, and I actually discussed this with him once.
We have to be extremely careful to realize who the real enemy is, and to always love even those who are teaching doctrines that are sending probably millions to hell, unaware that they’re in deep trouble with God by not living holy lives, by not abiding in Christ.
This is very serious stuff—far more serious than I think most realize. This one doctrine, alone, may be the number one reason for the fall of America. And the “it’s impossible or nearly impossible to lose one’s salvation” preachers and radio stations are largely to blame. They’re actually putting people to sleep all across this land, so only a tiny percentage are really fighting the fight and actually winning the battle to keep ourselves in Christ and pure.
I’m convinced that these teachers are in really big trouble with God. But those of us who are trying to expose this in order to help bring about change could be in big trouble too if we don’t walk in love, ourselves. And if you or anyone else feels that I’m not doing that enough in how I’m presenting material on either of my two sites, I would like to hear about it. For I want to be holy, and this is very difficult considering the fierce battle this is, and that there are precious people involved who are in ways on the wrong side, but pushing their agenda. And some have huge platforms through radio and TV.
I think most people have almost no idea of the degree of hate aimed at those who are exposing this and other false doctrines that I believe are the number one cause for the whimping out of Christianity in America.
I actually very much appreciate Dan’s willingness to take on this fight and not give up. He’s a brave man—incredibly so! Please pray POSITIVE prayers FOR him so he can be more effective in his work—for most of what he says is true regarding exposing the lie of OSAS. He’s not as good at teaching what real Christianity is supposed to be—how we are to actually live in Christ! Robert Shank does much better in this regard.
His less caustic treatment of this subject can be found in his classic work, “Life in the Son” http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=6610912&show_all_cr=1&event=CFN#customer_reviews. Dan is too quick to emphasize its faults http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/shank.htm, which it has, but I think it’s mostly A GEM—and is written in a consistently loving tone!!! I think it’s a masterpiece; though, a bit too scholarly for some. It really puts the emphasis where it should be: we must abide in Christ, literally. This is Christianity.
Isn’t it interesting that there aren’t more books on this subject out there? I think it’s because the Devil comes against OSAS exposers with everything he’s got. Because with the truth about who goes to heaven mostly hidden, he has a lot of ‘Christians’ where he wants them. If the truth about who goes to heaven http://onecanhappen.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/who-goes-to-heaven-scriptures really gets out there, we’ll have a glorious revival that will affect everyone, everywhere!! Can you imagine this?!!!
And then people will realize that Dan has been their friend. He means well. I hope you can see this. OSAS and it’s-hard-to-lose-one’s-salvation really are heresies that are leading many astray into “He’ll Never Let Go”-sville [refuted here: http://onecanhappen.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/the-chief-pillar-of-eternal-security-osas-falls ]. The ‘church’ has been brainwashed into believing a lie by even the songs played on ‘Christian’ radio. Few actually take the time to study what the Bible really says about this crucial doctrine that they’re basing where they’ll spend eternity on.
We MUST abide in Him. “Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.” This is fact.
And the “be not deceived” warnings that never make airplay in word or songs are so aptly illustrated by Joe Schimmel in his “The Great Deception” teaching http://onecanhappen.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/joe-schimmel-the-great-deception%E2%80%94once-saved-always-saved. Joe also names the names of some of the “grace changers,” but I don’t sense that he’s attacking them, but rather the danger of their teaching.
Daniel, thanks for bringing this important topic up. And may we all be holy, the lights we are meant to be in order for God’s love to shine through us to help heal this hurting land, so multiple millions who are currently heading in the wrong direction will spend eternity in heaven—resting in the glory of God—forever!!! All of us together!!
Praise God!!!
Jeff Fenske : )
Comment by Jeff Fenske — June 7, 2008 @ 7:32 am
Dan attacks wolves in sheeps clothing! He is not admonishing brothers in the faith, but false teachers that have supposedly studied the scriptures for years, yet they still spew un-biblical doctrines that are responsible for mis-leading thousands, if not millions. He is calling these false teacher out, as he is supposed to. Admonish a brother with love, but there wolves are not our brothers!
Comment by D-train — July 17, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
One would think a man who believes he can lose his salvation would temper his speech in fear of losing it through sins of his mouth. Obviously, Mr. Corner has different standards for other people than for himself – but then again, all hypocrites do.
Comment by Maestroh — July 26, 2008 @ 9:57 am
I am very familiar with the work and character of Dan Corner, and have yet to hear him “sin with the mouth.” I’m sure we all have much to learn in how to walk in humility and speak with wisdom, and surely Dan has his faults, but Dan is no hypocrite. He lives exactly what he teaches, and he cares enough about souls to take his own time and resources and sink them into the kingdom of God at any cost to himself. God bless him, I am happy to stand with him.
Comment by Melissa — August 7, 2008 @ 7:26 am
I really like most of his teachings. I think he is very firm and biblical on 99 percent of his teachings that I have encountered so far. You can tell he is a Berean i think is the word. I respect how he always seems to be ready to answer give an answer. I think another idea he should use if giving references to quotes of early (late 1st and early 2nd century christians). I mean at one time their was only like 15 ( not an exact number) christians. All had one belief no division on doctrine. Then it turned to 2 then 3 and now we have over 400 different ” christian” denominations.So sometimes if you are ever confused about anything I always first read the bible and see if I can come to a conclusion. I then look and see who backs it up and who refutes it and the verses they use. Then once I decide where I stand on the subject I like to look at what the early christians taught to see if what I believe the bible says is the same as them. Logically I feel it makes since because there was less than I believe around 15 or so denomanations before 120 A.D.
But make the bible the one source that matters. The others just can help you out in studying it.
Comment by Mitch — December 8, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
Dan Corner is on the right track. Since believers are BEING judged by Jesus Christ as they live their respective lives, no one is really “saved” until they have been decided “qualified” by Jesus Christ. Therefore, salvation cannot be “lost” per se. God qualifications for the first resurrection are the same from Adam to the present: faith in God and His Son, the slain Lamb, demonstrated by obedience to God’s instructions for how to live life. Apart from this, no one can be said to be “in Christ”. Many mantras in mainstream Christianity are accepted as Biblical fact, when they are nothing more than vain traditions of men, primarily stemming from the councils of Rome down through the centuries. If one takes an honest look at scripture, God’s requirements become evident. The basic teaching of scripture is that obedience to God (to include believing on His Son, Jesus Christ) leads to eternal life, disobedience to God leads to death. This theme extends from Genesis to Revelation. James sums it up like this, “faith without works is dead”. John teaches that those who do not keep the commandments don’t really know God at all, I John 2:2-3. Jesus, in Revelation 2 and 3 gives stark warnings to the “church” to repent of some things or else be treated as his enemies along with the rest of the world.
The bottom line is that much teaching in mainstream Christianity is simply not the truth. Therefore, many who THINK they qualify for the first resurrection are not and will be shocked when they realize that Jesus Christ does not know them. The qualifications for those who will rule and reign with Christ are spelled out clearly and simply in Revelation 14:12. There are two; those who keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Since most Christians ignore God’s instructions for how to live (to include the commandments, food laws, holy days, etc), most will NOT be in the first resurrection, and therefore be subject to the second death. However, since there are two harvests, not one as popularly taught, many will have an opportunity AFTER the thousand years are finished when they are resurrected to flesh and blood, having missed the first, better resurrection, to change their mind and obey God at that time, when Satan is “loosed for a season to deceive the world”. Many at this time who died apart from Christ will be saved, just as the holy days foreshadow. However, these will be “least” in the kingdom, the “greater” having served with Christ during the millennium as rulers and priests with him, which is what Matthew 5:19 refers to. The stick of Judah is the first resurrection. The stick of Joseph/Ephraim is the second harvest AFTER the millennium. (This is why Ephraim is NOT LISTED in Revelation 7, by the way.) THEN, both sticks will be joined as one. And so, all Israel (those whom God foreknew from before the foundations would be His) will be saved.
(References: Duet. 28 compared with Rev. 16, Matt. 5:17-19, Matt. 19:17, Col. 2 (means the opposite of what most try and make it mean), Heb. 4:9, Ro. 3:31, Heb. 10:26-27, John 3:36, Matt. 7:21-23, Rev. 20:4-5, Rev. 14:12, Rev. 2-3, Rev. 18:4, Rev. 7, Ezekiel 37:1-17, John 7:37-38, Rev. 20:6, Rev. 22:14.
Comment by Aaron — August 29, 2009 @ 1:45 pm
Aaron,
Thanks for commenting.
I like how you worded your opening. Revelation 3:1-5 is particularly interesting in this regard. Only those who are dressed in white (because they haven’t soiled/defiled their garments) will not have their names removed from the Book of Life.
But I wonder why you bring in the old covenant law as being necessary, when the NT says otherwise. “Now we have a better way by which we draw near to God, Abba Father.” Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.
What’s up? Where do you get that we still have to be under the law? I have no idea how people still think this.
I have written what I think is the definitive work on who goes to heaven. No one is able to refute it, which says a lot. Perhaps you would like to read it: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way.
Jeff Fenske
Comment by Jeff Fenske — August 29, 2009 @ 10:39 pm